tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20783018.post162821390402687019..comments2024-01-04T15:48:20.985+00:00Comments on RADNORIAN: Are Radnorians really Gogs?radnorianhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18441612211167338629noreply@blogger.comBlogger2125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20783018.post-91308400928453278922012-08-31T20:07:02.208+01:002012-08-31T20:07:02.208+01:00I wonder if Meic Stephens picked that up from the ...I wonder if Meic Stephens picked that up from the letter John Rhys sent to Prof.Anwyl together with the map. In that he mentions words like cam being pronounced kiam in the Llangurig area, although he says he can't remember if this form was also found in Rhayader. He does say that words like gwlad were pronounced glad in that corner of Radnorshire.radnorianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18441612211167338629noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20783018.post-30810094056486645222012-08-31T13:56:24.951+01:002012-08-31T13:56:24.951+01:00Four years on, a friend has drawn my attention (ag...Four years on, a friend has drawn my attention (again) to this blog. I shall be addressing this point briefly at my magic-lantern show 'Radnorshire, the Unknown Country' [sic, not 'County'!]after the Radnorshire Society AGM (Hotel Metropole, llandrindod, Saturday 10th November, 5 pm), when Sir John Rhŷs's map will appear on the screen and briefly discussed.<br />Although there are some examples of linguistic characterstics shared between Montgomeryshire and north Radnorshire, they are not very frequent. e.g. 'Sietin(g)' (Hedge): Rads plural: 'sietingau', North Monts plural 'stingoedd'.<br />One topic I won't be discussing in my show is the following: Meic Stephens came second in the National in 2003, under the name Hwnco Manco with an most excellent pryddest entitled 'Gwreiddiau'. He is very proud of his family roots in Radnorshire, and his pryddest portraylk different members of his family takling Valleys Welsh and Radnorshire Welsh,but his portrayal of Radnorshire Welsh, although excellent most of the time, doesn't always strike twelve:<br />The word 'tollant', which he spells 'tolant' to conform to Welsh orthography, is universal among Radnorshire farmer snow, but I'm sure that their forefathers would have said 'towlod'. They now say 'tup' but their forefathers said 'myharen'. MS also uses the wod 'llocie' (Pens or small fields) where the Radnorshire usage was 'ploce' < 'plociau' < Egl. 'plocks'<br />There are a number of similar small anomalies, but the most noticeable error is his frequent use of the intrusive letter i, which is so characteristic of Montgomery Welsh. In his pryddest we get 'Cies i ’ngieni' (I was born, = Ces i 'ngeni); 'ciawson ’u claddu' (they were born, cawson nhw 'u claddu');'hanner cian cyfer' 950 acres, 'can'); 'Doedd giennon ni ddim llawer ' 'we didn't have much, 'gennyn ni'); ’roedd gien i ddigon' (I had enough, 'gen i');tywydd giarw (rough weather, 'garw'), etc. etc. This really sets my teeth on edge - in over forty years of living on Radnorshire soil, living amongst native Radnorians, as neighbours,friends and pupils, as well as studying the place-names and languages [sic] of the old county, I have never ever heard or seen a single example of this use of the letter i. It could be argued that this is poetic licence an doesn't matter, but so little is known about the welsh dialect of Radnorshire in any case, that to use this anomaly in this contextis to spread a 'factoid' in the wide word - some people might take his pryddest as evidence of linguist usage in the real world. 'm sure that several prifeirdd have read this piece and as a result wrongly belive the intrusive 'i' to be characteristic of Radnmorshire. <br />Having said all this, I I wouldn't like it to be taken as a personal attack on MS, whose amazing energy, scholarship and dedication I greatly admire; I really do think that his pryddest is well worth acquiring (Barddas 274), as is his recently published autobiography, 'Cofnodion'<br />If anybody reads this, I hope to have the pleasure of meeting you. There won't be time during the talk to go into depth about these matters, but when I gave the same show in CARAD in Rhaeadr, the discussion afterwards went on for over three quarters of an hour, and even then had to be summarily terminated by the chairman, so there should be time for everyone to have their pound of flesh.Dai Hawkinsnoreply@blogger.com