If the Welsh dialect of St Harmon and Cwmteuddwr was similar to that of neighbouring Montgomeryshire and the lost dialects of places like Glasbury and Boughrood were similar to close at hand Breconshire parishes such as Talgarth, then somewhere within Radnorshire, south must have met with north.As far as I know the dialectologists never managed to get hold of a speaker of Radnorian Welsh from the Rhayader area, even though some, doubtless as rare and unnoticed as pine martens, must have lived on well into the 20C. Fat chance of them interviewing folk who lived in parishes where Welsh had disappeared by the 19C then.
But hang on, riding to the rescue is Richard Suggett, the fellow who authored that splendid book on Radnorshire houses. Rotting away in the archives he discovered reports of slander cases where the words of long dead Radnorians come back to life. An example from Gladestry in 1726 "Di gyrn di dorrws y twlle sydd in di hatt di" - "Your horns tore the holes that are in your hat." Now the interesting thing here is the use of the verb ending ws rather than odd - dorrws not dorrodd - this is a feature of the dialects of South East Wales. The map shows the use of these two endings in Radnorshire slander cases from the 16th, 17th, and 18th centuries - info from here.
From the look of things Elfael - at least the hundred of Painscastle and maybe Colwyn as well - seems more influenced by Gwenhwyseg (Gwentian Welsh) than do Maelienydd and Gwerthrynion - the hundreds of Knighton, Cefnllys and Rhayader.
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I wonder what dialect the Rev Francis Kilvert would have heard whilst he baptised vast numbers, well, several, St Harmonites when they had the time in the deep midwinter 1876/1877 .
The linguistic geography of the ending -wys is interesting particularly as it was used in parts of Radnorshire. Interesting also are the examples in court cases throughout Wales of borrowed words used by Welsh monoglots i.e stoppws, forgews, witshiodd, conffessodd, ffindws, bostiodd etc. It seems that borrowing words is nothing new.
Anon - Sir John Rhys who was prof of Celtic at Oxford in the 19C was acquainted with the Welsh dialect of the Rhayader area ... he included it with the dialects of North Cardiganshire, South West Montgomeryshire and South Merionethshire.
I pray you will one day write a book on your beloved area...you have a enough on it!!
Thanks Bryn-Daf but ... when I look at the work of proper local historians, Keith Parker for example, I have to admit I couldn't write a book like that. Mind you there are some works which make you think I wouldn't want to write a book like that.
A small book on Radnorshire surnames might be popular though. With a little background and a directory of names with suitable anecdotes and information.
I think the book is an excellent idea Old Radnor as certainly the regular readership of this blog appears to be growing beyond the wild colonial boy and myself. However scope for anecdote may be limited as centuries are hardly any time at all in Radnorshire terms so you may need to be somewhat reticent in naming names and places
Lionel - your concern for my safety is touching.
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